Some people argue that there is a social contract where we all agreed to certain things. I think some people do the same thing with natural law. They make wild claims about what is in the social contract, and claim that we are implicitly agreeing to it by living here or something. Well if you can translate this guy’s writing into English, he actually tells me that I can go to city hall and get a copy of the social contract.
Of course, he couldn’t be consistent with his demand that I support police while he opposes abortion, so he seemed to give up that argument.
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When the First Commenter On Your Post Commits the Logical Fallacy You Wrote About In The Post
I hate to say it, but I’m beginning to think “conservatives” are just as retarded as liberals.
Typical Response
Whenever I discuss politics with a Christian, the other person usually ends up quoting Romans 13 to suggest that I ought to shut up and just submit to the government.
This happens so often that I coined a new word to describe this occurence, “romansthirteen”. Here’s the definition.
Of course, the bootlicking, Hitler-glorifying interpretation of Romans 13 most (90+%) of Christians teach is incorrect. Romans 13:3-4 clearly teaches that there is one purpose of government, and that is to be God’s servant to carry out His wrath against evildoers. Any government worker who cares to glorify the Lord in his or her duty, has clear direction on how to do that.
1. Stop attempting to punish people who aren’t committing evil.
2. Stop attempting to collect taxes for anything government does other than punishing evildoers.
3. Be God’s servant to carry out His wrath on evildoers.
4. Stop harassing children with lemonade stands.
Of course, this is a radical idea to Christians who may have read this passage many times without paying attention to what it actually says, and believe that if a cop says kids must have a permit for their lemonade stand, the kids should jump up and go get a street vending permit, a food service license, and a sales tax license. I’ve tried to communicate this true message of Romans 13 to Christians many times online, and even meeting with otherwise knowledgeable people from church in person.
The only counterargument I’ve received is them jumping to some other passage in some other book and trying to explain Romans 13:3-4 away. This is a sure sign of a failed argument.
Whatever biblical doctrine you’re advocating, you must be able to walk through any and all passages and present a clear explanation of what that passage is talking about.
I learned this principle when studying Calvinism and Arminianism. There are passages that appear difficult for both of those systems of thought, and there are passages that initially appear to teach one over the other. The true test for which is correct is to listen to a Calvinist walk through a difficult passage for him, and see if he has a sensible explanation. Then, do the same thing for an Arminian. Of course, you would want to listen to the best and brightest individuals each side has to offer.
Calvinists can walk through 2 Peter 3:9, 1 Timothy 2:1-4 and Matthew 22:37, and explain what those passages are actually talking about in context, in a way that makes sense. Arminians can’t walk through John 6, 8, Ephesians 1, Romans 8:28-30, Romans 9, etc. without jumping to some other passage. This is how we know Arminianism is false.
Anyone can take a few verses out of context, and twist them to teach anything they want. The real test is whether they can make sense of the verses that are difficult for them. Whatever doctrine is true, is true from Genesis to Revelation, in every single passage.
So I’m still looking for someone to explain how Romans 13:3-4 teaches something other than what I’m saying without jumping to some other book of the Bible. Until then, I will support my kids’ black market lemonade stands.
But You Should Be Afraid of Illegals!
One of the newer tactics of socialists clamoring for a border wall is to cite examples of people who have been harmed by illegal aliens. Of course, there are illegals who do bad things. If that’s the standard you are going to use, you must be consistent, and apply that standard consistently to all groups. Here’s an example of someone who did just that.
The previous commenter had cited 3 or 4 cases of people who had been murdered, and this was Bo’s response.
Is The Supreme Court God?
I don’t want to put words in this lawyer/youtuber’s mouth, but it seems like the Supreme Court is his god. I think he’s correct when he says the Constitution gives the powers they have to the Supreme Court. But does that mean there’s no higher standard to be able to discern whether they are right or wrong on a topic?
At first, I thought this guy was just arguing based on the pragmatics of what the law is, but it seems he really is incapable of determining whether the Supreme Court is right or wrong, or at least has completely submitted to them. If that is the case, the Supreme Court is his god. He would have had no problem with owning slaves before the 13th Amendment. He apparently has no problem with abortion or gay marriage. I can only go by what he’s said, and he never responded to my last question.
I think there are many Christians who give powers that only God has to the state, and in so doing, they are guilty of idolatry.
Another interesting point he made in the original video is that it was William Rehnquist (a conservative justice) who voted in the majority to decide that DUI checkpoints don’t violate the 4th Amendment. Conservative justices have also given us Roe v Wade and Doe v Bolton. I say this to point out that the strategy of conservatives in electing a Republican at all costs so that he will be able to appoint conservative justices and turn the tide in this country is nothing more than a pipe dream, and there is no reason to think that it will suddenly start working in the future.
The Constitution has failed. There are some good points to it, but it has given us what we’ve got, which is tyranny.
Here’s the conversation in the comments of his Youtube video. I will happily refrain from watching or commenting on his videos.
I don’t care to link to his video, as someone who thinks slavery, abortion and gay marriage are acceptable if the Supreme Court says so really does have zero credibility, but if you really want to see it, there’s enough information in this article to find it if you wish.
Conservatives Have No Idea What Socialism Is
I joined a new conservative Facebook group that has tons of action. It’s named “The Deplorables”. I got kicked out of a big tea party group several months ago. I joined several others, but there are rarely enough people commenting there for some reason, even though some of them have thousands of members. But Deplorables is where the action is now.
A guy posted that social security is socialist, and retirees who want to fight socialism ought to burn their checks. I absolutely agree, and I’m planning for retirement hoping to do just that. I understand that some people aren’t financially able to do that, but I always thought that was the conservative position–that socialism should be rejected.
Apparently I was wrong, because a shocking number of the people there are defending social security. They say things like we paid into it, so it’s not socialist. It’s shocking.
If conservatives are those who believe that social security is great, then conservatism has been defeated, and the USSR won the cold war. Here’s a sample of the conversation I had in the Deplorables group.
Retarded Big-Government Conservatives
I made this video a few weeks ago, and referred a conservative advocating big-government border restrictions to it.
Here is his response. I highlighted the obvious problem.
And, you fail to see the intent of Varney. The ‘point,’ that you fail to realize, is that Trump is following the exact, same policy that all the socialist dems advocated years ago. And now, today, just because its Trump, they take a opposition stance. Keep up the good work troll.
Trump is doing what socialist democrats advocated years ago–the opposite of what Reagan did–and conservatives are tripping over themselves to endorse those socialist democrat policies. And I’m the troll?
Yes, liberals are stupid for opposing Trump just because they dislike him. And conservatives are stupid for supporting Trump just because they like him.
Trump is not conservative in hardly any way, but conservatives love him. He says something like, “America is great, here’s some big-government socialism for you.” And conservatives eat up the big-government socialism because all they heard was someone worshiping America like they do. Trump is the second incarnation of Bill Clinton.
This Is How You Know When Your Beliefs Are True – Conversation With a Cop Friend
So my FB friend who is a cop posted a story about how a guy fell for a trick from the cops to bring his illegal drugs to them to have them tested. The cops then stole his drugs and took him to jail, i.e. they kidnapped the guy, which is a death penalty crime for the cops. Ha Ha Ha, death penalty crimes are so funny. Here’s the conversation.
This guy posts on theological topics several times per day. He’s more than happy to discuss theology; he just doesn’t have any idea how to answer my questions, yet he kidnaps people for a living. I could see how that would cause some coping problems and some inconsistencies in thinking. He’s only a few years from retiring from his government job in his 40s, so that kind of incentive makes it hard to turn your back on the antichrist system.
The issue is that doing drugs is a sin, but not a crime. Lex Talionis is the principle of eye for an eye, tooth for tooth–the teaching that the punishment fits the crime. There is no victim for doing drugs, so no one to sue for justice. He rejects that biblical principle for the lawlessness of man’s law.
Does he heave the ability to tell whether a law is just or unjust? He rejects the biblical system that would allow Scripture to speak on such an important topic, and he can’t turn from that inadequate system because he loves money and comfort.
I realize he’s in a difficult situation. The solution isn’t to expect guys like him to repent, but to help prevent young guys from choosing an unjust career. Stop the America worship and get pastors to teach the whole counsel of God.
Cop Apologists With No Answers
I posted this video on Facebook and had a couple cop worshipers respond. I called the police pansies, which they certainly are.
The main reason they’re pansies is because they tackle this guy from behind. There is also a possibility that they’re pansies because depending on what information they had about this bag, they overreacted. However, we’ll withhold judgment on that until more is known about the situation.
I asked the first cop apologist what good reason they might have had for tackling him from behind with no warning, and there was just silence, though she’ll pray for me.
The second cop apologist asked whether the guy may have punched a cop while entering the cordoned-off area, and whether the local cops know this individual as someone who always struggles while being arrested.
Even if those were both true, the guy was not presenting a threat when he was tackled. He wasn’t leaving the scene or even walking towards his bike to leave. He was staying there probably expecting them to shake his hand. There is no biblical justification for assaulting the guy.
I asked the apologist what the biblical justification for assaulting the guy was, and he never responded. The crazy thing about this guy is that he is completely anti-government. He thinks sharply about many different topics. I agree with him on so many things, but it seems that because he is a cop, he is unable to apply his thinking to this one topic.
ROMANS 13!!!!!
I often joke that so often in response to something I say, someone will quote Romans 13, without even bothering to explain their point.
Here’s an example of such an occurrence where someone had said that churches should be confronting members who are cops, and I responded that we could add some people to the list of those that churches should be confronting. This Amanda Driskill woman quoted these verses, and must think that I’ve never read them before.
And the link in the first comment is well-worth your time to listen to. You can find it here.