Abolish The Police, Abortion, Conversation

Conversation on Cops Part II

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In yesterday’s post, I showed several of the comments regarding this post. Here’s another argument that I want to discuss.

Mickey said, “Do you pay your taxes?”

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I said, “Why are you changing the subject? The topic is about how cops ought to respond to abortion.”

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Mickey: “I am not changing the topic, I am going to make a point at your expense.

You pay your taxes, your tax dollars fund abortion. Your tax dollars also fund the national, state, and local governments. Your tax dollars fund the police which allegedly side with the abortionists.

Stop paying your taxes you hypocrite.”

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Me: Even if I’m a hypocrite for paying my taxes, how does that help the cops?

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Mickey: “You fund abortion with your tax dollars. No one is taking your tax dollars by robbery. Take your position to its logical conclusion, man up and stop paying your taxes. Pay the penalty, just like you expect the police to.

If you are going to post and “like” garbage like this, then you are a coward if you give Uncle Sam a dime.”

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Josh: I don’t think anyone was ever jailed for not being a cop.

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Mickey: So you pay your taxes at the expense of helpless infants out of fear of jail? Coward.

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Me: Mickey, The insults escalate and I’ve yet to see a response to the original topic. If I’m a coward, how does that help the cops? How should cops respond to abortion?

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Mickey: “It’s now plain to everyone sensible that you aren’t consistent with your worldview. Therefore your argument holds no water. 

You are knowingly paying your taxes that fund police who arrest abortion protestors. You are funding organized crime.”

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Me: Mickey, The question is how should a good cop respond to abortion? The cops in the video responded by breaking bones and depriving people of their civil rights. If you don’t know how a good cop should respond, I’m OK with that.

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Mickey: A good police officer leaves a dishonest discussion. 

Start taking your pay under the table, guys. I expect you all to put your money where your mouth is. April 15 – don’t forget.

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Me: I was hopeful that someone here might be able to give me something to think about. Mickey came the closest with a tu quoque fallacy. Maybe I’m a hypocrite and a coward for not moving to Chile, but at least I don’t find myself defending bone-breaking cops.

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Mickey’s last comment seems to be an admission that he is a cop. Watch the video in the original post, and explain to me what kind of evil you’ve bought into that allows you to not condemn the actions of the cops that day.

As far as his objection, it utilized the tu quoque fallacy, meaning his argument that the cops aren’t guilty becuase I’m guilty doesn’t follow logically. Even if I’m guilty as Mickey charged, it doesn’t dismiss the cops.

Furthermore, as some of the other commenters said, taxes in this country are stolen. Even if I physically write a check, I write it because there’s a gun to my head. I don’t think the Bible obligates me to pay taxes, but I think it teaches that if money buys my freedom then I should use it to buy my freedom. Even if the thief does evil things with my money. There are more effective ways to resist.

Certainly, if you’re going to take the surface level interpretation of Scripture, I’m obligated to pay taxes. It’s a more complex (though correct) interpretation that says I’m not obligated to pay taxes. But for sure, no one is obligated to be a cop, and Christians who are cops aren’t free to enforce unjust laws.

So that takes care of that objection. Let me know if you see something I’ve missed. One thing that was revealing in this conversation is how biased cops can be. These two or three cops that commented are unable to bring themselves to even condemn evil cops. How can we expect them to stand up to bad cops in real life if they’re not even willing to stand up in writing on a private Facebook post?

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Conversation On Cops

I haven’t received a lot of feedback on these ideas. Debate and conversation is a good way to test ideas to see if they stand up. In response to this post, here are a few of the responses from Facebook.

1. “That is a VERY short sighted and offensive meme and corresponding blog post. There are brothers and possibly sisters in Christ in this group who serve the public in law enforcement. Perhaps the lack of response to that blog post should give a clue. How is what you say about fellow image bearers edifying?”

I think it’s very edifying to  claim that it is inadvisable for Christians to be police, assuming it’s true. Of course, no argument against the proposition was offered by this older woman.

2. “Maybe ‘no good cops with jurisdiction near abortion clinics.’ Otherwise, I agree completely.”

I certainly agree that that is all the article proves. But, you could go through and show how there are enough unjust laws in this country that no jurisdiction would be left with an excuse. This country has gone so pagan that I don’t see how a Christian can remain a cop unless they are there to work against the whole system.

3. “This was truly an awful article. I feel sorry for you.”

Maybe this guy is a cop? He never returned to offer any further brilliant insights.  Unfortunately five people liked this vapid comment.

4. “I think the writer makes a great point.”

I can’t help but agree.

5. “I would just ask that everyone be respectful during this. Let me explain, I live in Australia and I worked as a Police Officer for a while. Through this time I never saw a conflict between my beliefs and my actions. After I finished that job, I began to feel different. I would get flashbacks of incidents I went to, would be unable to stand in crowded rooms and began to distrust even my closest friends. Yesterday I went to a specialist who diagnosed me with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. The first thing I did was approach my brothers in Christ, who just began to spout the same kind of stuff here.

I mention this as while I understand the issues being mentioned, please be respectful while speaking on this issue. I love the Pub, but sometimes when these issues come up, I feel far from welcome.”

Cops having an us vs. them mentality is one of the problems. That is a mentality of an army occupying enemy territory. If his Christians friends start saying the same things as he hears elsewhere, maybe he should take a hint.

6. I know of At least one good cop: he’s a captain and an elder in my church.

I bet some of the guys in the video where Christians and elders at a church. You’ll pardon my doubts as good cops don’t remain cops for long.

7.  “The first few minutes of the video below debunks the fantasy that a large percentage of cops are good.” Bill, this line alone should have told you that the author of this post is not reasoning well. I am a police officer, and I cannot tell you exactly how I would have responded to that call because I do not have all the information regarding those specific circumstances. Many times the officers know information that the rest of the public does not, and that is a factor in why an officer made a particular decision.

But to be fair, enforcing unjust laws is something every Christian cop has to be sensitive to. As our government moves further down a path of unrighteousness, it should concern any Christian who is an agent of enforcement for that unrighteous government. However, sinful behavior is something anyone in any profession is tempted with. How much lying, stealing, etc. go on in the business world on a day to day basis that Christians who work in offices have to deal with?

In my time as a cop, only once have I had to make an objection to an order based on conscience, and it landed me in the chief’s office the next day. But, it was worth it, and I’m glad I took a stand for my convictions. By and large, as a cop, I spend my time and energy on worthwhile pursuits- enforcing violations of God’s moral law, holding criminals accountable, and protecting innocent people so they can go about their lives peacefully. There is not an abortion clinic in my jurisdiction, and for that, I am thankful.”

The fact that he can’t adamantly condemn the cops in the video shows he has a bias problem. I’m glad he has refused to follow orders in the past, but I think if I were a cop, that is something that would come up quite often, not just once in a long career.

Also, for the government to use the sword to enforce God’s moral law isn’t how it was intended. There are things that are a sin that aren’t criminal. He doesn’t lock up people for lying. But I bet he does lock up people for drug crimes. Doing or selling drugs is a sin, but it isn’t a crime in God’s law. And I bet he’s written a speeding ticket or two in his day, which is enforcing the arbitrary laws of men. Not to mention that in God’s law, there are no police.

8. Cops don’t arrest protesters because they are protesting abortions. The ordinances and laws enforced were not written with abortion in mind. Those same laws could be used to protect religious organizations as well. Just because the anti-abortion protester is against abortion doesn’t mean their actions are right in the sight of God. You don’t get a free pass from being Christ like just because you are anti-abortion. Just like other activists, many anti-abortion protesters intentionally break laws and create conflict with police so the can play the victim and make recruitment videos.

David Joyner's photo.

 

He included his happy “serve and protect the citizens” picture. It’s as if a cop can never criticize another cop. It’s quite sick. I have video proof that 100% of 50-100 LAPD cops are evil cops, and cops can’t bring themselves to admit it. It’s as if they’re reading a highly-edited cop version of the Bible.

Neither can they say what they would do in that situation, leaving me to wonder if they would do exactly what the LAPD did that June day in 1989.

9. My self along with twenty other Christians were out at the abortion mill today in Riverside California and we had two encounters with the police and they were very kind and favorable towards us and our cause. I think there are proper ways to protest the abortion mills and we ought to comply with the established laws of the city that we are in.

Generally, if you do exactly what the cops say, you’re OK. Some of them (though far from all) might even be familiar enough with the 1st Amendment to let you exercise your right to free speech on a public sidewalk. Of course strict obedience to every cop’s whim is what communism was built on.

There is another conversation that brought up an interesting, albeit fallacious, point that I will save for another post, but I think it’s obvious that no one  really even tried to argue against the post, and the proposition remains intact after some scrutiny. But I’m always looking for more feedback.

One thing that is discouraging is that this is a Christian Facebook group, and judging by the comment likes, there is a lot of unreasonable support for the cops. Of course, when you grow up in a police state, and it’s all you know, maybe your arguments in favor of the police state aren’t rational.

Abolish The Police, Power Trip

Kicked Out of Town

Now this is a power trip. I’ve shown many instances of cops having the audacity to kick people off of public sidewalks, but this takes the cake. This lady tries to kick these people out of town! She’s insane.

This is what happened at the beginning of Rambo. The dirty cop tried to kick Rambo out of town. He gave him a ride to the edge of town and dropped him off. The rest is history. Awesome history.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaMfTaoquCk

Theonomy

How Complicit Are Prison Guards In All This Evil?

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What Higgs says there is certainly true. But I think it’s even more true about prison guards. There may be good cops if they are working to sabotage the system, and keeping their job as a means to destroy the system and abolish the police from the inside. I doubt there is one such individual in this country, but I hold out hope.

What about prison guards? It’s theoretically possible (though unlikely) that a cop could avoid or refuse to enforce a lot of laws, and maybe keep his job. But by just showing up at work, isn’t a prison guard or employee of whatever sort, enforcing all the laws? Anyone contributing to the maintenance and operation of the prison is helping enforce all the laws on the book, because the main deterrent to breaking the law is prison.

And the very existence of the prison itself is unbiblical. The only valid punishments in the Bible are execution, restitution and lashes. Prison is not an option as punishment, though jailing someone awaiting trial may be acceptable. Anyone who works for prison, and isn’t there to sabotage the system, holds an unbiblical job.

So all the unjust laws, tax laws, drug laws, and whatever ridiculous crimes people may commit to end up in prison are enforced by prison guards and the many prison guards who claim to be Christians that are spending their lives upholding our evil system.

Christianity, Reject Socialism

A Free Lunch?

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This sign hangs on Washington Elementary School’s fence at a fairly busy intersection in Canon City. It shows the ubiquitous nature of socialism in our country.

Of course, what’s the obvious thing to say about free lunch? There is no such thing, even in the summer. The money the government spends giving people lunch is money taken by the IRS under the threat of imprisonment or confiscation of money.

It’s obvious that when the government takes money from some people and gives it to others, they are stealing, and it is evil. More interesting questions are: Are the people who receive a “free” lunch sinning as well? And, do those who benefit from the Stalinist lunch program have any room to speak out against Obamacare (or whatever socialist program)?

If I am given or buy goods that I know to be stolen, that is sin. Simple enough. Those who get free food can’t spite someone who gets a free health insurance policy. What’s the difference between free food and free healthcare?

I pay my taxes for the same reason I would pay a mugger with a gun to my head. It’s cheaper to pay the mugger than to pay the undertaker.

Jesus said, “Render unto Ceasar the things that are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s” (Matt 22:21). I love the way Jesus answers questions. It is a very brief answer, and people have taken it to mean that we pay any and all taxes without uttering a peep of protest. What Jesus wasn’t saying is that the coins belong to Caesar, just because they have his image.

We already know that everything belongs to God. What He was saying is that wasn’t the time to protest taxes. If money buys something of value, like not being locked in prison, use it to buy your freedom. He wasn’t saying that the government can tax you however it wants, or that you should never speak out against unjust taxation.

What about the poor children who would starve over the summer without the nanny state to take care of them? It is the job of charities to take care of people-not the government. Besides that, this program is open to anyone. I know people who are well off that participate.

The truth is that we have to start rejecting government benefits ourselves. Participating in these programs is rejecting God’s law. How can God ever bless us when we reject His way of doing things?

 

End Public School

Foundation of Public School

Education is a religious undertaking. There is no such thing as a brute fact; every fact presupposes a worldview. Public school presupposes a religion. It just isn’t Christianity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pb7iR3JgoOo&feature=youtu.be

“The  schools must fashion the person, and fashion him in such a way, that he simply cannot will otherwise than what you wish him to will.” Johann Fichte

The Way Things Ought to Be, Theonomy

Is Prison Biblical?

No.

But Florence is in the news again. You can see some scenic pictures of the barbed wire. 

The three biblical options for punishment in Scripture are:

  1. Restitution and penalty paid to victim.
  2. Less than or equal to 40 lashes.
  3. Death Penalty.

There are no other options.

Kent Hovind was released from prison and gives all kinds of horrible stories of injustices occurring in prison. The last thing we need to do is break up families, but 85% of prisoners are divorced while in prison. He is against the war on drugs, as putting a large percentage of the population in prison is just exacerbating the problem.

It boils down to doing things God’s way or doing things our way. Doing things our way is idolatry, but it is profitable for a season.

Abolish The Police, Abortion, Police Abuse

There Are No Good Cops

 

painA lot of my conservative, Christian friends keep telling me that the vast majority of cops are good and it’s only a very small percentage of officers who get plastered all over the news and make a bad name for all the good cops. I acknowledge that most police/citizen interactions are peaceful and go unnoticed. But is never being on the news beating an unarmed citizen with a night stick all that is required to be a good cop?

A popular slogan among cops is, “I don’t make the laws, I just enforce them.“ That is the issue. A good cop can’t just check his conscience at the door and blindly follow orders. There are a lot of bad laws in this country–not just bad laws, but evil laws. A good cop can’t enforce an evil law. He must do something to stand against evil as all Christians are commanded (Ephesians 5:11). A cop who enforces an unjust law isn’t a good cop.

The first few minutes of the video below debunks the fantasy that a large percentage of cops are good. In it, you see dozens of cops arresting abortion protesters. The discussion in the video is about how the abortion protesters were treated unnecessarily rough. Every cop there was enforcing man’s law, and ignoring the fact that God’s law condemned them. The purpose of their abuse was to make a religious statement: “We have no king but Caesar.”

But to only talk about the broken bones is missing what may be the most important point. These abortion protesters are standing against the murder of babies, while the cops are standing with the abortionists. The cops are blindly following orders and protecting the business of butchering babies. That is not an option for a good cop. It is certainly not an option for a Christian cop. All the cops who were there participating are wicked cops.

If there had been good cops there, or Christian cops, they would have had no choice but to refuse to follow orders, leave the scene, or even sit down with the protesters.

The politicians and Supreme Court can decree all the evil laws they want, but those tyrants need muscle on the street willing to threaten, and carry out violence, or they’re just blowing hot air. Unfortunately, the tyrants have had no trouble finding plenty of bad cops willing to blindly enforce the law. And all too many of those bad cops claim to be Christians.

If, as my friends contend, the vast majority of cops are good, abortion would be over tomorrow. Christians could go down to the abortion clinic, block the doors, and the cops would stand with them against evil, because they’re good cops. We all know that won’t work, because cops and abortionists are allies. Abortionists rest easy at night knowing there are no good cops.