I stole this title from Nicholas in my last post. The Christians he was referring to were well beyond the level of the guy in this post. I personally know this guy. He attends a conservative, Bible-believing church where the pastor preaches 55-minute sermons and is seriously trying to mature the people in attendance. He attends regularly and sits through these sermons.
Maybe his anger got the better of him or something, but his comment is just really disappointing. It’s not the first time people who regularly attend this church have made this same basic error. I know the pastor can’t be blamed for every single individual remaining immature, but the church as a whole is very immature, and this guy is just an indication.
I started a Facebook group with mostly people from this church and the purpose was to try to come up with ways to apply Scripture to the real world and not just worry about ourselves all the time. It has been a complete and utter dud (as I’m rereading this the last paragraph in this post is haunting me). Nevertheless, I keep trying to post things that might provoke some conversation. Because that’s the point we’re at. These people would look at me like I’m crazy if I actually tried to get them to do some of the things I’m thinking about or have been involved in. These folks and I are definitely not on the same page, and so we are still at the conversation level. So, between once a month and once a week, I post something.
I adapted this post to Facebook format and posted it there a few days ago. I got this response:
“Judging and gossip is sinning as well.”
I think it’s safe to say he was accusing me of judging and gossip. I’m not sure how it’s gossip to comment on a public Youtube video. And I’m certainly guilty of judging. Of course, judging righteously isn’t a sin and is something we all do dozens if not hundreds of times per day.
In fact, when this guy accused me of judging, he was judging me. He actually was sinfully judging me, because he was using a double standard–aka hypocrisy. He doesn’t know that there is righteous judgment and he’s not capable of recognizing hypocritical judgment.
Of course, the problem is that this guy clearly hasn’t read the New Testament, much less the Old Testament. He’s sat through hours of preaching and has been a Christian for at least four years that I know of. He’s been a newborn Christian who hasn’t learned the basics of the basics of Scripture.
If I was his pastor I would be shocked and ashamed and reevaluating everything I do. If the pastor is honest, this guy isn’t an exception, but the general rule for the level of knowledge of his congregation. And those who are the exception and know more about the Bible are still not actually accomplishing very much for the kingdom and neither is the church as a whole.
Of course, this is what their pessimistic eschatology teaches will happen. So when it happens, they expect it to happen. They don’t have an expectation that they are going to accomplish great things for God or that the gospel will actually defeat Christ’s enemies. But surely, the pastor thinks that a guy sitting through hundreds of his sermons will not still be completely retarded.
At some point, we (and I’m including myself), have to examine the fruits of our efforts to see whether the results are fruitful or thorny. The fruits of that church are thorns and they need to change. We need to be semper reformanda. I’m trying something new for my church situation, and I’m keeping an eye on whether it bears fruit, whether I and my family bear fruit through it. If not, we have to try something else.
There is so much quality in these comments on Facebook. This might get long, but I want to compile a nice place to read through this in future months and years. It would be hard to find on Facebook again, and that’s not really even a good way to read comments in my opinion. I’ve put a next to the names of the commenters who are knocking it out of the park. Here it is.
ORIGINAL POST R.C. Sproul – Postmillennialist
John MacArthur – Dispensational Premillennialist
Voddie Baucham – Amillennialist
These three men represent(ed) all three of the major positions and yet were great friends. It should serve as a reminder that eschatology should not hinder relationships with other brothers, rather it should spur us on.
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NICHOLAS
All three are pietists, and receive(d) a lot of money while doing very little if anything for Christ’s kingdom, so they have much more in common than we at first glance might think
#DatChurchHustle
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JEREMY
Nicholas, you are saying Sproul did very little for Christ’s kingdom. Are you kidding me? Not evenly remotely close to the truth. I wouldn’t speak ill of MacArthur or Baucham either
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JOSEPH
Jeremy, //Sproul did very little for Christ’s kingdom//? He did a great deal institutionally. He also created a great following who were kept busy by his ideas and so did not have as much time to go in worse directions. He was really good at arguing for theory. He was a great guy to have a beer with.
Beyond that the fruit of his and all 19th & 20th century ministry is an entire culture that went from professing Christ to finding the church and Sproul entirely irrelevant.
It’s hard to call such men great. We by following their charm instead of Christ have given a world to our children which now must rebuild from the ground up.
Let’s not follow them.
With the reformers, what we should be saying is turn the priests out and put them to work if they will not work let them beg for their bread. For their institutions have nothing to offer, except the dim mimicry of the church of Jesus Christ.
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RANDOM COMMENTS RESPONDING TO NICHOLAS’ FIRST COMMENT
“This is not a good take.”
“You should feel bad.”
“Yeah you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about”
“kind of trollish of you if you ask me.”
“#datignorancehustle”
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NICHOLAS
Pastor worshipers are the cutest little baby Christians you’ll ever meet. Didn’t mean to slow the idol production. Carry on.
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ELI
Nicholas, if believing that faithful expository preaching of the word, ministering to a congregation, and being an apologist for the Christian faith advances the kingdom of God makes one an idolatrous pastor-worshipper, than I too am one since I think all three lived their lives accordingly. Perhaps you’d care to elaborate on why you think they did little or nothing for the kingdom of God, and share with us what you think they should have done. All we’ve got so far is a statement of your opinion which can only be evaluated in terms of my knowledge and preconceptions until you share what yours are.
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NICHOLAS
Eli, Not knowing the difference between productive kingdom work, and regurgitation of the milk of the word decade after decade; and not being discerning enough to tell the difference between a real pastor, and making a career of the perpetual marketing of milk is what makes you a baby Christian and pastor worshiper.
BTW, I love RC Sproul. I listened to him and read his books for years. But he’s not a pastor, and he did next to nothing for the kingdom, and I do appreciate the popularization of Calvinism as much as any Calvinist.
JMac, on the other hand, responsible as he is for infanticide in CA, is not fit to untie the sandals of a pop teacher like Sproul. I doubt if JMac knows the Lord.
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JOHN
Nicholas, What do you believe is in fact the difference between productive kingdom work and regurgitation of the milk of the word? Could you also elaborate on John Macarthur and infanticide?
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NICHOLAS
John, we see in Hebrews 5 that spiritual meat is defined as the message and application of practical righteousness. A true pastor trains the moral senses of Christ’s sheep to discern good and evil in every area of life, to take every thought captive to the obedience of Christ. Low hanging fruit would be the Biblical doctrine of murder applied to infanticide. A little higher would be concepts like economics, money, banking, welfare, and taxation in general. A little more meaty would be law enforcement, immigration, due process and consistent application of criminal justice concepts like lex talionis and habeas corpus. Every area of life, really: art, science, health-care, math, everything! Men like RC Sproul and JMac and Voddie could never teach us to think Biblically about these matters presumably because nobody ever taught them (and so they never taught you), and if somebody did teach them, there’s just no money in it, so best for the prudent celebrity to keep quiet about issues that are just too meaty. Best to stick to TULIP and theoretical eschatology. Nothing too practical.
What is productive kingdom work, then? We are commanded to go out and take dominion, to press Christ’s crown rights into every area of life, to–on the basis of all authority being given to Him–go out and put all enemies under His feet.
The kingdom is entrepreneurial centered, because the properly functioning Body of Christ is gifts oriented, and many members will take many gifts to the world for every area of life, whether your gift is mechanics or engineering or culinary or healing, your business will springboard off your gifts. Since the greatest will be the greatest servants, entrepreneurship and wealth necessarily follow from kingdom mindedness. This is the Biblical prescription for subduing the nations.
For 1,800 years, the Church believed this, and they went out and conquered every area of life. The Church did not center on pastors. The Church was centered on manifold gifts, each relevant for the mission of the Church, and for the discipline of the nations.
Men like Sproul, JMac, and Voddie need to get real jobs, and discover productive gifts. Instead, they discovered a profitable racket, and their business is ever telling the Church milky truths which we should all get past within 60 days of converting to Christ, and they thus doom us to perpetual immaturity, salt without savor, lamps without light. Real pastors mature Christ’s people ala Ephesians 4. False pastors make careers on the back of a perpetually immature Church.
Regarding JMac and infanticide, I’m referring to the part he played in the Satanic persecution of Operation Rescue. For all we know, JMac is single handedly responsible for the persistence of child sacrifice.
When JMac’s deacon, Bob Vernon, chief of police, came to his “pastor” for counsel regarding what to do do with the Rescuers, Vernon was advised to use the Romans 13 sword to crush the rebels.
First hand witnesses to Vernon’s execution of JMac’s pastoral counsel include JOSEPH, John Cummins, et al. Here’s an excellent YouTube video documenting these facts.
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JOSEPH
Nicholas, yes I had several meetings with Bob explaining what we were doing and why. Bob “when I put on my blues I am the property of the state” Vernon was confirmed by his Pastor John MacSomething to use state authorized violence to crush those who would rescue the unborn.
The church sees work/career through entirely secular eyes.
Work is gaining sufficient Genesis 1:24-27 dominion over an area of creation to be able to use it to meet someone’s needs.
Payment is either directly trading such need-meeting or monetizing your excess and paying for it.
God designed societies to exist through such exchanges and gave His law to be the ethical structure of them.
The economy is merely the part of our human exchange system you can measure with money. But it is no less spiritual or divinely ordained than anything else we exchange.
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NICHOLAS
That’s precisely why RC, JMacSomthinOrTheOther, and Voddie are all pietists. Their religion is fundamentally distinct from our postmil optimism.
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JOSEPH
Eli, look, Nicholas gave some theoretical arguments which you should weigh carefully. But there is a single fact that is unmistakable:
Whatever Sproul et. al. and Great Leaders like them were doing, an entire civilization has been lost through their “ministry” and they and the organizations they represent are vilified and considered racists and abusers by most of society. I know I know it’s not fair. But it is reality. Whatever these Great Ones taught and lived it was not the world-changing salvation.
Time to follow Christ and leave the great ones on the shelf where they preferred to spend their lives.
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NICHOLAS
Joseph, This is exactly what needs to be said from Christ’s Church, and until this is the consensus of the Body of Christ, you and I know that only judgement can be expected. All we can do is be faithful voices in the wilderness. Praise God for you, dear brother, blessed of God.
On the testimony of two witnessesses…
If we do not bring JMac, the false shepherd, up on charges of his crimes, we are ourselves infidels. The very least we should do is call his conversion into question.
“You shall not covet” is the Tenth Commandment. It’s on the list with obvious sins like “You shall not murder”. But, apparently both Republicans and Democrats, Christians and non-Christians can get on board with rampant covetousness.
You don’t have to watch the video from Kurt Zerby if you don’t want. His first error is that renters don’t need to worry about property tax hikes. As if expenses don’t get passed on to renters in rent hikes. His math may be correct, though it’s based on a wild guess on his part. But he’s obviously playing on people’s greed showing how their house value will go up. Just by voting to take your neighbor’s money via government extortion, your house will skyrocket in value.
Socialism is built on covetousness, greed and theft. You get free something or cheap something or financial benefits by forcing people who don’t want or don’t agree with something to pay for it. Capitalists are often accused of greed, but it is just the opposite. Capitalists make money when people voluntarily pay for something they value. Both the buyer and the seller are better off after the transaction. In socialism, you get something for very little. You can benefit from your neighbor’s stuff. This video is in-your-face, blatant covetousness.
If a rec center is so valuable, it would be supported by people donating to it and by customers paying to use it. But raising funds is hard work, and it may mess up his return on investment, because that is dependent on the cost being spread out to everyone.
Socialism just keeps creeping up on us, while Republicans and Christians go all in on each little socialist project as long as it’s not proposed by a Democrat. Now they’re even in favor of recreation services being provided from each according to his ability, to each according to his need. In reality, there’s only one political party in this country–the Big Government Party.
Pretty much all Christians agree our country has problems. The problem is the solutions offered by most Christians is more of the same that has been tried over the last 50 years. Here’s an example from a friend running for the local school board, which he posted on Facebook:
“Children have been entrusted to their parents and parents trust the schools to educate their kids. This means that schools must honor the request of the parents when it comes to thier kids. And this means that schools do not have the right to do as they please with our kids!”
The problem is that some parents request crazy things like their sons to use the girls locker room and bathroom.
It’s also just not true as courts have ruled. For example, “Fields v. Palmdale (2005), which held that parents have no say in what, when, or how their children are taught about controversial subjects in the public schools; and Parker v. Hurley (2007), which held that parents have no right to opt their children out of objectionable material, even if it does not involve a core curricular subject.”
Not only that, but schools can hand out birth control and even help girls get an abortion. Colorado law only requires that parents be notified–not that they consent.
The problem is we’re forced to pay for public school whether we like it or not. As with all socialist systems, they get their money regardless of whether they provide good service. There’s no good way to force biblical beliefs on a socialist system, because the very existence of socialism is contrary to Scripture.
Public school is failing and we need to give it a push.
There’s a pro-freedom, local page that I take part in. A lady posted about how courageous everyone opposed to masks was at the school board meeting where they were begging their school board masters not to make them mask/abuse their children. First of all, I think sending our kids to socialist, government schools is the primary cause of this country’s long, gradual destruction. We’re handing our kids over to be discipled by the enemy, and teaching them that socialism is the best way to educate them.
I wanted to post something, along those lines in the conversation, but the post was already two days old when I first happened across it. I decided to post a meme that would hopefully get people thinking about how stupid it is to send their kids to the government. Below is what I posted and the ensuing conversation with one lady.
The quote in the picture of the school bus says, “Parents give up their rights when they drop the children off at public school.” -Texas Federal District Judge, Melinda Harmon.
Of course the quote is absolutely true, if you know the law. They can do all kinds of things to kids without your consent while they’re at school. Additionally, anyone who thinks that’s not true, sent their kids to school all last year wearing masks, so I’m not too impressed with anyone who claims to be not giving up their rights.
The thing I wanted to point out with this conversation is that Ms. Kunkel objects to my calling public school a socialist program, or being free. She has no idea what socialism is. The vast majority of conservatives/Christians opposed to socialism and wanting it to end have no idea what it is or that they are participating. They have no idea that their continued participation in the program is destroying our country. They have no idea that when they go beg the school board for scraps, they’re advocating for socialism.
We will continue to lose until pastors speak up about not sending Christian children to be educated in the false religion of human secularism.
The bad thing about how the internet works is people can just take things down and break links, so many of the links on this site are just not viewable anymore, and even I don’t know what they were in reference to 100% of the time. I posted this video about John Macarthur’s response to Operation Rescue in the 1980s. One of the links went to an LA Times article, and the link changed. I want to post the article here for safe keeping. It will be easy to find on their website by searching any of the longer phrases.
Here is the video I made, and below that is the text of the LA Times article:
ABORTION PROTESTS IN THE SOUTHLAND : Clerics’ Views Differ Over Militant Action
BY RUSSELL CHANDLER AND JOHN DARTMARCH 25, 1989 12 AM PTTIMES RELIGION WRITERS
The militant Operation Rescue anti-abortion movement has divided the ranks of Southern California Christians and stirred moderate opposition from pro-choice clergy.
But the vast majority of religious leaders–already immersed in Holy Week activities–stayed on the sidelines, in part because of disagreement over the protesters’ tactics of civil disobedience and fundamentalist rhetoric.
Devout Roman Catholics on both sides of the emotionally charged abortion protest paraded, prayed and held signs with opposing messages Friday outside a Long Beach family planning clinic targeted by Operation Rescue.
“I’m not pro-abortion, I’m pro-choice,” declared Armida Brashears, 54, of Huntington Beach, a Catholic mother of three and a member of the Religious Coalition for Abortion Rights. Brashears was accompanied by her placard-carrying mother, 77, “a pro-choice Catholic who goes to church religiously every week,” in the words of her daughter.
But also marching back and forth in front of the clinic was Maria Famolaro, 15, of Cypress, who prayed loudly and earnestly while fingering her rosary.
“We are praying for the people so they will understand abortion is killing those who can’t speak for themselves,” she said.
Few Catholic priests apparently took part in the demonstrations, and Los Angeles Archbishop Roger M. Mahony extended only lukewarm support to Operation Rescue, giving its goals his “blessing” but questioning the effectiveness of its methods.
Norbertine Father Leo John Celano of St. Michael’s Abbey in the Diocese of Orange and a member of the Operation Rescue steering committee said he believed that more Catholic priests did not join him in Long Beach Friday because they are “the least available” just before Easter.
Clergy leadership in Operation Rescue, both nationally and in Southern California, is largely made up of theologically conservative Protestants.
The Rev. Randy Adler, 43, pastor of the nondenominational Stone Mountain Church in Laguna Hills, stressed God’s judgment upon a disobedient nation–a theme heard often in fundamentalist and charismatic church groups.
“The babies are secondary,” Adler, who was arrested during Thursday’s Operation Rescue sit-in in Cypress, said in a brief interview Friday.
“God has always judged nations that have destroyed classes of people. . . . (Abortionists) are brutally murdering the defenseless and innocent. . . . We’ve got their blood on our hands.”
But not all conservative Protestants agree with that interpretation of Scripture.
Grace Community Church in Panorama City, whose senior pastor, John MacArthur, is influential among evangelicals and fundamentalists, explained its opposition to Operation Rescue and civil disobedience in general in an article distributed to its nearly 10,000 churchgoers.
The statement noted that no government authority is requiring abortions to be performed and that the Apostle Paul said that civil law must be obeyed.
While opposing all forms of abortion, MacArthur’s church facetiously chided Operation Rescue for not preventing gays from going into bathhouses, parents from abusing children or otherwise stepping into other situations where “any of God’s laws (are) being broken.”
“The church has never been called to prevent sin by force or intrusion but to proclaim the Gospel to sinners,” the church statement said.
Operation Rescue’s approach provoked opposite responses from two popular Southern California evangelical talk-show hosts.
Rich Buhler of KBRT participated in Friday’s Long Beach demonstration and said he saw nothing wrong with Rescue’s civil disobedience.
“If we really believe it’s a human life in the womb, then we have to do more than print pamphlets and march in front of clinics,” he said.
However, KKLA’s John Stewart said in an interview he remains convinced that day-to-day “sidewalk counseling” by anti-abortion workers outside clinics is much more effective than the dramatic attempts to close down clinics for a day or two.
“God bless the people putting themselves on the line, but this seems almost like a frustrated reaction to the fact that abortion laws have not changed,” Stewart said.
Meanwhile, in a Friday morning news conference at Hollywood United Methodist Church, several pro-choice religious leaders emphasized that religious people within all denominations have differing views on abortion.
“But we disagree in a friendly way . . . rather than this circus attitude that Operation Rescue has brought to Los Angeles,” said the Rev. Ignacio Castuera, pastor of the Hollywood church.
Two Reform Jewish rabbis and Lisa Desposito, the six-months-pregnant state director of Catholics for Free Choice, challenged the tactics of Operation Rescue and defended the “choice” stance on abortion as morally justified.
Judaism has always recognized that when pregnancy threatens the life of the mother, an abortion is permissible, but rabbinical opinion differs on other difficulties surrounding giving birth, said Rabbi Janet Marder, assistant regional director for Reform Jewish congregations in Southern California.
Referring to the protesters, Desposito said: “I don’t see Martin Luther Kings. . . . I see bigots, moral absolutists.”
The Rev. E .V. Hill of Mt. Zion Missionary Baptist Church in Los Angeles disagreed. In a telephone interview, the pastor said there is a valid comparison between the Rescue operation and the arrest-drawing civil rights movement led by King.
However, Hill and most other prominent Southern California ministers have neither been involved in Operation Rescue nor issued public statements about it.
But on Good Friday, some clergy who did take a stand appealed to the scriptural model of Jesus for support.
“We would honor (Jesus) most this day by following his example,” said the Rev. Martha Siegel, who chairs the Los Angeles Episcopal Diocese Commission on Theology and Human Sexuality.
“In this holy season, we remember Jesus Christ, who did not coerce belief or intimidate people into improper behavior but drew them through his example of self-giving love,” Siegel said at the Hollywood news conference.
And in the crowd Friday, the Rev. Dusty Pruett, 42, pastor of the homosexual-oriented Metropolitan Community Church in Long Beach, declared:
“I think Jesus would be here for women holding up a sign saying, ‘I’m for pro-choice.’ He had a heart for the oppressed.”
The Rev. Joseph Foreman, 34, of the Presbyterian Church in America and national field director of Operation Rescue, also thought that Christ would have been in Long Beach.
“This is Good Friday, when Jesus led the first ‘rescue,’ ” he said, referring to the Christian belief that Jesus saved humanity from sin by his death on the cross.
At least one banner-carrying demonstrator Friday thought the uproar over abortion was beside the point. Premarital sex, insisted Stephen Christian of Los Angeles, is the culprit making abortions necessary.
There is a proposal for a new recreation center in Canon City. I don’t know how it will be paid for but I certainly wouldn’t be surprised if they wanted to raise taxes. I’m not the only one who thought that as I read the first few comments, which I’ve pasted below. I’m only pasting the pro-tax comments. There were several anti-tax comments as well.
My Christian Acquaintance, who is a leader in a church, “Keep pushing, lets get it done!”
Another Christian Acquaintance: Excited for this hope we get this in canon tax away !!
Random Stranger: Why are you against being taxed for something that will HELP your community?? “Taxes: you have to pay for the goose that lays the Golden egg.” Even La Junta has a Rec Center.
Randam Stranger 2: I would happily love for my tax money to go to something product for everyone here in Fremont so that they can get out and live better lives, screw being greedy I’m all for the fun and bringing for recreation to the people!
After reading all that, I had to say something.
ME: If you’re willing to have your taxes raised to pay for this, then you’d be willing to write a check voluntarily. Advocating for higher taxes is saying you want your neighbors to be forced to pay for it whether they want to or not. You’re committing the sin of covetousness.
And Alexis responded to my comment.
ALEXIS: I see it differently. I see that all of us should be invested in a healthy community. Each is us pays a tiny bit extra, everyone has a chance to participate. Even those who don’t participate reap the benefits of a healthier, happier community. To not want to help the community is committing the sin of greed.
ME: You may be right that this is the greatest thing ever, but if someone disagrees, you don’t really care, you want them to pay whether they like it or not. You are breaking the 10th Commandment.
“For you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure, or who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.” Ephesians 5:5
ALEXIS: “judge not, lest ye be judged.” We all need to pay our share. We pay for roads, we pay for fire and police services even if we never need them. Health is important, and if we share in the costs, we all win. So please spare me your self-righteous preaching.
ME: Are you judging me as having judged you? By doing that, you actually are judging hypocritically, and violating Jesus’ teaching. But you’re misunderstanding what He was saying. Jesus said to judge with righteous judgment (John 7:24).
You’re committing the sin of covetousness. If your eye causes you to sin, you should pluck it out, because it’s better to go to heaven with one eye than to go to hell with two.
“Judge not, let ye be judged.” is every unbeliever’s favorite Bible verse, quoted in perfect King James English.
Of course, unbelievers hatch all kinds of evil schemes and perpetrate all sorts of injustices. What do you expect? The problem is that in the face of all sorts of socialist programs and tax hikes, Christians are SILENT when such things violate God’s prohibitions on covetousness and theft at the very least (20% of the Ten Commandments). There is zero application of Scripture to the real world or to government from the pulpits. If Christians applied Scripture to government properly, and acted consistently in their own lives, we could defeat socialism tomorrow, and do it easily. But Christians want a rec center and public school, so they advocate for socialism alongside unbelievers.
Every pastor that doesn’t preach against every tax hike and socialism is a hireling who should be tossed out of the pulpit. A mass pulpit purging is what needs to happen in America before anything else good will happen.
Dear reader, do you think my kids know whether they ought to talk to police? Do your kids know? Should you just let these dirtbags into your house?
Do you think Tiger Woods knows the rules of golf? Of course. He uses them to his advantage. We’re all playing the game of life, and we better know the rules.
Are you looking for something you can do for Christ? Here’s a list of ideas from Paul Dorr.
• Confront abortion clinics with the love of Christ while reminding them of the wrath of God • Expose pastors pushing to poison many with the vaccination. • Confront local government waste. • Leaflet drop school parking lots on the sin of public education. • Expose bond dealers plundering local county government • Expose growth in local government employment along with decline in services. • Confront cable companies pouring filth into local communities • Praise local magistrates who are fighting to defend families and property rights • Do public records request of fake government economic development groups and point to those profiteering • Confront gay pride parade with the Gospel • Confront local feminist organizations • Confront feminism in the local churches • Lit-drop and picket neighborhoods of local tyrannical judges • Expose miserable misandrist lawyers exploiting marital difficulties to destroy marriage • Lit-drop local bars on what real Christian manhood looks like and invite them to a Bible study. • Confront local police who are encouraging tyranny • Confront filth at local high schools • Take home-school kids, especially boys, along with many of these public confrontations. Expose them to some human fear while teaching them to cling to Christ
I responded to him about this, and he set a new record for willingness to lick boots. Here’s the short conversation.
A police state is one where the citizens are expected to obey the arbitrary whims of police or face violent consequences. That is exactly what Dean is advocating with the meme he posted.
Furthermore, Daniel Shaver didn’t point a rifle out the window, and even if he did, it’s not illegal to possess a rifle in a hotel room. Even if he was doing something ill-advised, like handling a rifle (or a pellet gun) where other people could see him, 911 should have informed the caller that guns are legal. If that didn’t happen, the cops should have knocked on his door and had a quick discussion rather than acting like a bunch of pansies and end up murdering him due to their fear of a pellet gun.
Daniel Shaver completely complied and didn’t break any laws, but ended up dead, like so many others murdered by police. So many cops are cowards, scared of their own shadows and have their guns on a hair trigger. Police should be abolished. Conservatives are supposed to oppose socialist programs, but that just isn’t the case. They are just as socialist as liberals. They just are too stupid to realize the extent of their socialism.
And I highly recommend studying the history of police in America. Dean is the only one confused on that topic. I posted this article for him, and he claims to have read it in a comment he made 16 minutes after I gave it to him. He must be an amazing reader, because no one could really digest all of this in 16 minutes. It is an amazing history, but somewhat long. I highly recommend reading “Are Cops Constitutional” by Roger Roots.
Working for the Secession of Fremont County from the Union
next to the names of the commenters who are knocking it out of the park. Here it is.
