Unfortunately, this isn’t the first time I’ve had a conversation where the person doesn’t understand a concept from Kindergarten: That which isn’t illegal is legal. I thought this was funny at first, but by the end it just got kind of sad. Here it is.
Crazy Guy – At least support your claim. Simply stating something does not make it fact. Tell me how biblical law supports open borders.
Me – Because there is no law against people moving to ancient Israel. In fact it is desirable. You’re the one who wants to enforce unjust immigration laws written by Ted Kennedy.
Crazy Guy – Welcoming strangers does not equate to allowing the free-flow of immigrants – the notion is ridiculous.
1 Timothy 5:8 ESV
But if anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for members of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.
Open borders are, without a doubt, counter-intuitive to this verse – fullstop.
Numbers 20:14-21 reports:
“Moses sent messengers from Kadesh to the king of Edom: ‘Thus says your brother Israel … here we are in Kadesh, a city on the edge of your territory. Please let us pass through your land. We will not pass through field or vineyard, or drink water from a well. We will go along the King’s Highway. We will not turn aside to the right hand or to the left until we have passed through your territory.’ But Edom said to him, ‘You shall not pass through, lest I come out with the sword against you.’ And the people of Israel said to him, ‘We will go up by the highway, and if we drink of your water, I and my livestock, then I will pay for it. Let me only pass through on foot, nothing more.’ But he said, ‘You shall not pass through.’ And Edom came out against them with a large army and with a strong force. Thus Edom refused to give Israel passage through his territory, so Israel turned away from him.”
Me – Edom is a pagan nation that had the laws of men. I guess it’s fitting that you’re using Edom’s pagan border policies to defend Ted Kennedy’s socialist border policies. 1 Timothy 5:8 has nothing to do with border policy.
There was no law against immigrating to Israel. God’s law defines justice. Your choice is between the law of God and the arbitrary, unjust laws of men.
Crazy Guy – Prove it.
Me – Prove what? If something isn’t illegal, it’s legal. If it’s illegal, show me, and I will repent. This is really quite simple.
Crazy Guy – Prove to me there were no immigration laws in ancient Israel. I will await your quotes from The Bible which proves this.
Also, just because the Bible speaks of welcoming strangers, it does not mean they were openly allowed in without restriction.
Me – This would all be discovered by you reading Scripture.
Crazy Guy – I’ve read it, multiple times, in Armenian and English. Now, if you could substantiate your claims that would be much appreciated. If you can’t, we will end the conversation here.
Me – How can I show you something that doesn’t exist?
Crazy Guy – If it doesn’t exist, how can you make a claim?
Me – A prohibition on immigrating to Israel doesn’t exist. Therefore, there is freedom to move to Israel.
This is one of the funniest conversations I’ve had in a while.
Crazy Guy – Wrong. Just because something specific was not written in the Bible, does not mean it DOESN’T exist.
You make claims based on something NOT written, rather than something written. What a joke.
The Bible is basically void of Jesus’ younger years, so using you logic it would mean those years didn’t exist.
Me – The law of the Lord is perfect (Psalm 19:7). I’m sorry you don’t like what it says.
Crazy Guy – Exodus 34:24
“For I will drive out nations before you and ENLARGE YOUR BORDERS, and no man shall covet your land when you go up three times a year to appear before the LORD your God.”
I guess God is following the Devil, too? If there is no need for borders, why did God promise to enlarge them? If there is no need for borders, why would God secure control of land to a certain person or group?
Me – Borders are to limit governments. Not to prevent the free movement of people. Thanks for the conversation. I have to get going.
Crazy Guy – Where is this law you claim to exist? If it is not written, it must not exist. You cannot substantiate you claim, and you therefor run from providing an answer.