Tag Archives: presuppositional apologetics

Good Conversation On Homeschooling

This is an interesting conversation that took place on homeschooling and whether public school is a sin. hsconvo

Another conversation took place on this thread where some who thought public school is not a sin, believed that sending a kid to an Islamic school would be a sin. What they don’t see is that what purports to be a secular education is really just as much a rejection of the lordship of Christ as any Islamic school would provide.

A Possible Conversation

In yesterday’s post, I showed that the only valid government is a government that acknowledges Jesus Christ as Lord and submits to His law. Here’s a possible conversation with a bureacrat along those lines.

Me: Why do your laws apply to me?

Bureaucrat: Well, maybe I can find the statute here, give me a second.

Me: That’s circular. The law can’t apply just because the law says it applies. That isn’t a valid answer.

Bureaucrat: I’m sorry that’s just the way it is.

Me: I agree that’s the way it is, though I certainly don’t like it. You are willing to kill me or lock me up to get your way. However, might does not make right.

Bureaucrat: You get a lot of benefits from government.

Me: Yes, I get some I like and a lot I don’t like, but I don’t agree that it’s acceptable for you to provide those benefits by holding a gun to my head and forcing me to pay for them. That is stealing. It’s not acceptable for government to protect my rights by taking away my rights.

Bureaucrat: Then maybe you should consider moving to Somalia.

Me: I assure you there are government thiefs there as well. My continued residency here doesn’t make your theft any less sinful. Your theft is between you and the Lord, and you won’t stand before Him and be judged by Colorado law. You’ll be judged by His law.

Bureaucrat: Well, uh…

Me: I will let you off the hook, and tell you the only possible reason why government laws might be valid and apply. The only possible reason is that the Bible defines the proper role for government and says that people ought to obey proper government.

Bureaucrat: Great, there you go. Now your amount due is nine hundred and…

Me: Whoa! I said, the Bible says that people ought to obey PROPER government–biblical government. Do you think Colorado is a biblical government?

Bureaucrat: Yes, we do a lot of good things. We give poor people money, we educate children, we protect wildlife, and build roads just to name a few.

Me: But are those things biblical? Is that the role God has given government? I assure you that none of those things are on the list. It is unconstitutional for the government to even consider doing what the Bible says. They have long since rejected Jesus as Lord.

Bureaucrat: True. This isn’t a Christian country.

Me: Exactly. Exactly! Maybe it was at one point, but it certainly isn’t anymore. Therefore, it is the government that has rejected the only valid reason why the laws it makes might apply to me. All that’s left is rule by force. And since you’re holding that gun to my head, I’ll pay the amount due. But do you see that just as in every other area of life, government must choose between Jesus Christ and absurdity. Jesus said in Matthew 12:30, “If you’re not with me, you’re against me.” You’re working for those who have not only not chosen to be with Christ, but have openly rejected Christ.

Bureaucrat: That’s it sir. I’m calling the sheriff.

Me: Yes, the guys with the guns who are willing to kill me. You’re only doubling down on your rejection of Christ, and your worship of the beast. I pray that you’ll think about what we’ve talked about.

Hopefully, that is a conversation I will get to have at some point, and reinforce to people that we must choose Christ or absurdity.

It’s the Fool That Says There Is No God

Here is an example of presuppositional apologetics. Look up Greg Bahnsen or Sye ten Bruggencate to learn more. I’m not holding myself up as an example of a great apologist. My intent is just to show how easy it is.

When someone denies truth, they have shown themselves to be a fool and any rational conversation is over. This conversation kept going, but it was over the moment he said there’s no such thing as absolute truth. Here’s a conversation I had on Youtube.

Atheist: Got to say your god is the biggest tyrant to ever grace the paper. You claim obediance to a imaginary friend. And then say that your sense of morals are objective? Sad, really really sad!!!
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Me: So, would you say Christianity is false? If so, you must believe in absolute truth. Where do you get absolute truth apart from the God of the Bible?
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Atheist: Yes, and I can prove your god is nonexistant. Thats he is a malicious, genocidal, jealous, infantcidal oppressive prick. Absolute truth? No such thing. What makes you think anything in the bible is true?
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Me: You said, “Absolute truth? No such thing.”

Are you saying it’s absolutely true that there’s no such thing as absolute truth? It’s either true or false, right? What am I missing?
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Atheist: You can play word games and semantics with others, it wont work here. You are a idiot for having beliefs in imaginary, superstitious nonsense. Quit throwing up red herrings. I will call you out on apologist fallacies every time.
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Me: You said, “…it wont work here.”

But that’s not absolutely true, is it? Nothing you say is true, because you deny truth, right?
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Atheist: And what ‘truth’ would that be? And yes, if you pull WLC apologetic crap here I will annihilate you and your pathetic argument. If you got some actual evidence for your ‘truth’ then go for it or otherwise you really need to stfu. 
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Me: Truth is that which conforms to the mind of God.

Saying there is no absolute truth is self-refuting and absurd. Every sentence you type demonstrates the folly of atheism.
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Atheist: Every time you use the word god shows the ‘folley’ of theism and your wilfull ignorance and wilful servitude to a imaginary deity created by men to control the masses through intimidation and fear. One more question before I go. What is the worst sin of all? Doubt. LMAO If you doubt you will burn in hell forever. Good luck with your life of fear and slavery.
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Me: Before you give up, I’d love to hear you take a stab at explaining how it’s true that there is no absolute truth. I’m up for a good laugh.