How idolatrous can a Christian be before you have to doubt their salvation? The authority you use to determine right and wrong is your god. If the source of your morality is Jesus Christ, you’re a Christian and you are almost certainly a Christian and will go to heaven. If your moral authority is anything other than Christ, such as the U.S. Congress, then you’re not a Christian and you’re headed to hell. This conversation exposed this guy as an idolater.
Here’s the conversation:
Donald said this in response to an original post trying to apply Scripture to politics:
More twisting of the scriptures to fit your social justice false gospel. A sovereign nation enforcing its immigration laws is not oppressing the poor. Your mind is just as twisted as your interpretation of scripture.
ME:
Donald McGinnis by what standard do you discern what is a just or unjust law?
Donald says:
God’s word is the standard, Hebrews 4:12.
ME:
Good. Can you be more specific? How do you know if an immigration law is just or unjust?
Donald says:
Romans chapter 13.
ME:
Romans 13 teaches you that US immigration law is just or unjust?
Donald says:
So, you didnt read it or is it that you’re just not very bright?
ME:
If you’re saying that Romans 13 gives a blank check for governments to do whatever they want, that is the complete opposite of what it’s teaching. Romans 13:3-4 places strict limits on what government can do. But maybe you can explain it better.
Donald says:
Governments make just laws as to who can enter the sovereign nation that they are. They have rules of entering according to their laws. Illegal aliens broke those laws and are now experiencing the consequences of their illegal actions. It’s really that simple. It’s just like your home. you determine who is welcome and who is not. If they break in, you call the police and they get arrested. No difference. Do you really have a problem with that?
ME:
This exchange started by me asking you how you discern what a just or unjust law is. I don’t think you’ve answered clearly in regards to immigration. If I had to guess what you’re getting at so far, it seems you believe government can regulate immigration however it wants. Is that correct? How do you square that with Romans 13:3-4?
Donald says:
You have nothing to teach anyone. And your opinions don’t make any sense. You are just another social justice libtard masquerading as a Christian who twists scripture and tries to apply those twisted scriptures to your false narrative. And yes, the govt which is our duly elected representatives does have the right and the authority to regulate immigration policy and laws, whether you like it or not. If you don’t like it, go move somewhere where your wacky imagined legal system actually exists.
ME:
you’ve provided no scriptural basis for anything you’ve said. If you believe government determines good and evil, your god is the government. Thanks for the conversation.
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So this guy thinks that Romans 13 means that government can do almost whatever it wants. It would be preposterous if I hadn’t heard that taught from more than one pulpit. Is the twisting of Romans 13 this way what is causing Christians to idolize the government? Would a campaign to teach the proper interpretation of Romans 13 help solve that? What would such a campaign look like?